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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There’s still a lot good about v2 as well. Just the UI is a bit nasty.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I can’t unfortunately offer lots of free time, that would be like cannibalistic suicide seeing as we normally make money that way. It would be like asking someone on the Sipwise group to build the Pro features that they charge for, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>However, if there’s a java dev her who really wants to donate time for free …..?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Oren Yehezkely [mailto:orenyny@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 21 August 2013 17:07<br><b>To:</b> Skyler<br><b>Cc:</b> gavin.sweet@skyracktelecom.com; spce-user<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Spce-user] Using an external billing system<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Skyler,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I agree with Gavin regarding forking jBilling (from version 2.0) if we can get the programmers to do that.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>As I mentioned I am willing to contribute if this is done seriously. If there is a programmer in the list who is able and willing to do such work,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>please feel free to PM me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I am willing to try a general solution like Blesta, but the nature of these products is that they are too general and I did not find any of them that will fit for telecom needs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Most of those products target ISPs, domain and email providers. None of them would even look at VoIP.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>jBilling is the first one I have seem that got it right (or at least very close ;) )<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Oren<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Skyler <<a href="mailto:skchopperguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">skchopperguy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Gavin, that is actually the power of sipwise. It can have anything available via API so if you want some complicated data, it can be exposed rather easily.<br><br> A solution like Blesta could quickly take advantage of any functions exposed. Limits really seem endless. One example (of hundreds) is device management. Users could manage or at least have access to specific settings for any device via the Blesta customer area...and any changes could be self-administered to some extent.<br><br>I understand that jbilling can pull cdr's and create billing. The goal is world domination, I just don't see JBilling being able to handle that without forking $24,000/yr.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br>On 08/21/2013 08:04 AM, Gavin Sweet wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>If you *have* to use the API, then its going to be expensive these days,<br>certainly compared to free ;-)<br><br>The other option is to do things in batch, but this limits you to a specific<br>architecture, and also really prevents you from doing pre-pay.<br><br>(Or, you go back to using version 2, which still includes the API, and fork<br>the software from there).<br><br>I don't really know Blesta, but I'd be interested to know what kind of<br>volumes of CDR's you can scale to there. I guess a lot of people on this<br>group will only do their mediation and rating in sipwise, so its not really<br>an issue, you can inherit all the values directly from the CDR files. If<br>however you want to apply any kind of alternative/mixed rating schemas with<br>logic other than that supported by sipwise (e.g. bundles, e.g. other CDR<br>suppliers, e.g. etc etc) then you need a mediation and rating engine in your<br>billing system (or find another open source) and you do need it to scale<br>once you're getting into the millions of records.<br><br>Cheers<br>Gavin<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:spce-user-bounces@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">spce-user-bounces@lists.sipwise.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:spce-user-" target="_blank">spce-user-</a><br><a href="mailto:bounces@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">bounces@lists.sipwise.com</a>] On Behalf Of Skyler<br>Sent: 21 August 2013 15:51<br>To: Barry Flanagan<br>Cc: spce-user<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Subject: Re: [Spce-user] Using an external billing system<br><br>Thanks Barry, that's what I understood as well. The JBilling API and<br>any customization access is _only_ available for the Enterprise or<br>Telco<br>version(s) as of v3. So it is really useless to any of us ... unless<br>your willing to shell out $2k/mth.<br><br>I've been looking around for months..years even. Blesta really is the<br>only option I could find that would accommodate every need while being<br>100% front-end (admin/users) for spce. Takes programming and time, I am<br>talking with the creators right now and will know a cost soon. I'm<br>thinking the module(s)/plugins(s) can be hosted with sipwise so we can<br>simply D/L into Blesta any time.<br><br>--Skyler<br><br><br>On 08/21/2013 04:36 AM, Barry Flanagan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 21 August 2013 05:01, Oren Yehezkely <<a href="mailto:orenyny@gmail.com" target="_blank">orenyny@gmail.com</a><br><mailto:<a href="mailto:orenyny@gmail.com" target="_blank">orenyny@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br> Skyler,<br><br> I also thought at the beginning that (jBilling) CE is locked<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>down.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> But on a second look I am not sure about it anymore.<br><br> I think we should give it a chance, especially if we have some<br> people here in the list who are experts for jBilling.<br><br><br>The problem with the CE version of jBilling is there is no API at all<br>- they took it out when going from v2 -> v3. Makes it fairly useless<br>as it can't be integrated easily with anything else.<br><br>-Barry<br><br><br> I am willing to participate significantly in a bounty for<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>jBilling<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> integration.<br><br> I have also been following Blesta for several years now. Not sure<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>if<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> this is a product for telco services, but I am willing to listen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> may be willing to contribute for a bounty to integrate Blesta as<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>well.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br> I prefer to stay in this list. IMHO - a forum is more efficient<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>that<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> a mailing list but this could be a different issue all together.<br><br> Thanks,<br><br> Oren<br><br><br> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM, <<a href="mailto:skchopperguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">skchopperguy@gmail.com</a><br> <mailto:<a href="mailto:skchopperguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">skchopperguy@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br> Wow.<br><br> -------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-----------<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> *From:* "Jeremie Chism" <<a href="mailto:jchism2@gmail.com" target="_blank">jchism2@gmail.com</a><br> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jchism2@gmail.com" target="_blank">jchism2@gmail.com</a>>><br> *To:* "Barry Flanagan" <<a href="mailto:barry@flanagan.ie" target="_blank">barry@flanagan.ie</a><br> <mailto:<a href="mailto:barry@flanagan.ie" target="_blank">barry@flanagan.ie</a>>><br> *CC:* "Skyler" <<a href="mailto:skchopperguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">skchopperguy@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <mailto:<a href="mailto:skchopperguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">skchopperguy@gmail.com</a>>>, "spce-<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">user@lists.sipwise.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <mailto:<a href="mailto:spce-user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">spce-user@lists.sipwise.com</a>>"<br> <<a href="mailto:spce-user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">spce-user@lists.sipwise.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:spce-" target="_blank">spce-</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">user@lists.sipwise.com</a>>><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal> *Sent:* August 20, 2013 6:36 AM<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br> *Subject:* Re: [Spce-user] Using an external billing system<br><br> Telco version of jbilling is 2000.00 US per month.<br><br> Sent from my iPhone<br><br> On Aug 20, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Barry Flanagan<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><<a href="mailto:barry@flanagan.ie" target="_blank">barry@flanagan.ie</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <mailto:<a href="mailto:barry@flanagan.ie" target="_blank">barry@flanagan.ie</a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> On 20 August 2013 09:51, Skyler <<a href="mailto:skchopperguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">skchopperguy@gmail.com</a><br> <mailto:<a href="mailto:skchopperguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">skchopperguy@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br> On 08/20/2013 01:41 AM, Barry Flanagan wrote:<br><br><br> @List Admins: Any chance there could be a mailing<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>list<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal> created like<br> spce-integration or spce-billing for such<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>discussions?<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal> It could be<br> useful and would help keep this list on topic.<br><br> -Barry<br><br><br> wouldn't that be a request for jbilling? I know Blesta<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>has<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal> a dev area that would fit us all nice and tidy...I just<br> bought a license and they gave me access ;)<br><br><br> No, I was suggesting a list for the discussion of general<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>SPCE<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal> integration issues relating to third party apps (jbilling<br> blesta, SugarCRM, whatever) - not specifically jbilling or<br> any other systems<br><br> -Barry<br><br><br><br> _________________________________________________<br> Spce-user mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com</a><br> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com</a>><br> <a href="http://lists.sipwise.com/__listinfo/spce-user" target="_blank">http://lists.sipwise.com/__listinfo/spce-user</a><br> <<a href="http://lists.sipwise.com/listinfo/spce-user" target="_blank">http://lists.sipwise.com/listinfo/spce-user</a>><br><br><br> _______________________________________________<br> Spce-user mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Spce-" target="_blank">Spce-</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">user@lists.sipwise.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal> <a href="http://lists.sipwise.com/listinfo/spce-user" target="_blank">http://lists.sipwise.com/listinfo/spce-user</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br> _______________________________________________<br> Spce-user mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Spce-" target="_blank">Spce-</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">user@lists.sipwise.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <a href="http://lists.sipwise.com/listinfo/spce-user" target="_blank">http://lists.sipwise.com/listinfo/spce-user</a><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>Spce-user mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://lists.sipwise.com/listinfo/spce-user" target="_blank">http://lists.sipwise.com/listinfo/spce-user</a><br>-----<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6569 - Release Date:<br>08/11/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>Spce-user mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com" target="_blank">Spce-user@lists.sipwise.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://lists.sipwise.com/listinfo/spce-user" target="_blank">http://lists.sipwise.com/listinfo/spce-user</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" noshade style='color:gray' align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6569 - Release Date: 08/11/13<br>Internal Virus Database is out of date.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>