<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I'm in. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 21, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Oren Yehezkely <<a href="mailto:orenyny@gmail.com">orenyny@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Skyler,<br><br>I bet that we all want these features and more.<br></div>However this is much more than billing. this is a complete front end development, including a portal, billing and provisioning<br>
(we did have a short discussion a few months ago about <a href="http://Provisioner.net">Provisioner.net</a>...).<br><br></div>I don't assume that anybody will do this for us for free.<br><br>We need to organize to raise the needed funds and develop this together.<br>
<br></div>If any of you is interested in participating, feel free to PM me.<br><div><div><br></div><div>Oren<br></div><div><div><div><font style="" face="yw-30f09826b6488858d27ad863e0042f45db60a20d-6e669900a9c8cbb353d6f244ee3a1309--o"></font></div>
</div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Skyler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skchopperguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">skchopperguy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Oren, I definitely agree that the end solution needs to be done in a serious way and be open to adding/customizing for anyone.<br>
<br>
What we should do here is have everyone pitch-in to create a list of specific objectives or needs that the billing solution must have. Then both projects can use those same objectives.<br>
<br>
New User signup:<br>
- A form that creates new accounts and services in billing and sipwise.<br>
<br>
End-user panel:<br>
<br>
- Secure login<br>
- Overview of account<br>
- Ability to pay invoices<br>
- Ability to view/download/email past paid invoices<br>
- Ability to create support tickets<br>
- Ability to edit billing address<br>
- Ability to edit e911 service address if different<br>
- Ability to buy DID's and add service(s)<br>
- Ability to manage phones and/or adapters<br>
- Ability to auto-suspend service(s)<br>
- Ability to view/search/download CDR for account and/or per DID<br>
- Ability to view/listen/download/delete voicemail<br>
- Ability to create call-forwarding or ring-group(s)<br>
- Ability to ...<br>
<br>
Admin Panel:<br>
<br>
- View and control all end-user(s) functions<br>
- View and control all sipwise functions<br>
- Accounting ...<br>
<br>
<br>
Skyler<div class="im"><br>
<br>
On 08/21/2013 09:06 AM, Oren Yehezkely wrote:<br>
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Skyler,<br>
<br>
I agree with Gavin regarding forking jBilling (from version 2.0) if we<br>
can get the programmers to do that.<br>
As I mentioned I am willing to contribute if this is done seriously. If<br>
there is a programmer in the list who is able and willing to do such work,<br>
please feel free to PM me.<br>
I am willing to try a general solution like Blesta, but the nature of<br>
these products is that they are too general and I did not find any of<br>
them that will fit for telecom needs.<br>
Most of those products target ISPs, domain and email providers. None of<br>
them would even look at VoIP.<br>
<br>
jBilling is the first one I have seem that got it right (or at least<br>
very close ;) )<br>
<br>
Oren<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Skyler <<a href="mailto:skchopperguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">skchopperguy@gmail.com</a><br></div><div><div class="h5">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:skchopperguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">skchopperguy@gmail.com</a><u></u>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Gavin, that is actually the power of sipwise. It can have anything<br>
available via API so if you want some complicated data, it can be<br>
exposed rather easily.<br>
<br>
A solution like Blesta could quickly take advantage of any<br>
functions exposed. Limits really seem endless. One example (of<br>
hundreds) is device management. Users could manage or at least have<br>
access to specific settings for any device via the Blesta customer<br>
area...and any changes could be self-administered to some extent.<br>
<br>
I understand that jbilling can pull cdr's and create billing. The<br>
goal is world domination, I just don't see JBilling being able to<br>
handle that without forking $24,000/yr.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08/21/2013 08:04 AM, Gavin Sweet wrote:<br>
<br>
If you *have* to use the API, then its going to be expensive<br>
these days,<br>
certainly compared to free ;-)<br>
<br>
The other option is to do things in batch, but this limits you<br>
to a specific<br>
architecture, and also really prevents you from doing pre-pay.<br>
<br>
(Or, you go back to using version 2, which still includes the<br>
API, and fork<br>
the software from there).<br>
<br>
I don't really know Blesta, but I'd be interested to know what<br>
kind of<br>
volumes of CDR's you can scale to there. I guess a lot of people<br>
on this<br>
group will only do their mediation and rating in sipwise, so its<br>
not really<br>
an issue, you can inherit all the values directly from the CDR<br>
files. If<br>
however you want to apply any kind of alternative/mixed rating<br>
schemas with<br>
logic other than that supported by sipwise (e.g. bundles, e.g.<br>
other CDR<br>
suppliers, e.g. etc etc) then you need a mediation and rating<br>
engine in your<br>
billing system (or find another open source) and you do need it<br>
to scale<br>
once you're getting into the millions of records.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Gavin<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Sent: 21 August 2013 15:51<br>
To: Barry Flanagan<br>
Cc: spce-user<br>
Subject: Re: [Spce-user] Using an external billing system<br>
<br>
Thanks Barry, that's what I understood as well. The JBilling<br>
API and<br>
any customization access is _only_ available for the<br>
Enterprise or<br>
Telco<br>
version(s) as of v3. So it is really useless to any of us<br>
... unless<br>
your willing to shell out $2k/mth.<br>
<br>
I've been looking around for months..years even. Blesta<br>
really is the<br>
only option I could find that would accommodate every need<br>
while being<br>
100% front-end (admin/users) for spce. Takes programming and<br>
time, I am<br>
talking with the creators right now and will know a cost<br>
soon. I'm<br>
thinking the module(s)/plugins(s) can be hosted with sipwise<br>
so we can<br>
simply D/L into Blesta any time.<br>
<br>
--Skyler<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08/21/2013 04:36 AM, Barry Flanagan wrote:<br>
<br>
On 21 August 2013 05:01, Oren Yehezkely<br>
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wrote:<br>
<br>
Skyler,<br>
<br>
I also thought at the beginning that (jBilling) CE<br>
is locked<br>
<br>
down.<br>
<br>
But on a second look I am not sure about it anymore.<br>
<br>
I think we should give it a chance, especially if<br>
we have some<br>
people here in the list who are experts for jBilling.<br>
<br>
<br>
The problem with the CE version of jBilling is there is<br>
no API at all<br>
- they took it out when going from v2 -> v3. Makes it<br>
fairly useless<br>
as it can't be integrated easily with anything else.<br>
<br>
-Barry<br>
<br>
<br>
I am willing to participate significantly in a<br>
bounty for<br>
<br>
jBilling<br>
<br>
integration.<br>
<br>
I have also been following Blesta for several<br>
years now. Not sure<br>
<br>
if<br>
<br>
this is a product for telco services, but I am<br>
willing to listen<br>
<br>
and<br>
<br>
may be willing to contribute for a bounty to<br>
integrate Blesta as<br>
<br>
well.<br>
<br>
<br>
I prefer to stay in this list. IMHO - a forum is<br>
more efficient<br>
<br>
that<br>
<br>
a mailing list but this could be a different issue<br>
all together.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Oren<br>
<br>
<br>
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<br>
Wow.<br>
<br>
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*Sent:* August 20, 2013 6:36 AM<br>
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*Subject:* Re: [Spce-user] Using an external<br>
billing system<br>
<br>
Telco version of jbilling is 2000.00 US per month.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
On Aug 20, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Barry Flanagan<br>
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On 20 August 2013 09:51, Skyler<br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:skchopperguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">skchopperguy@gmail.com</a><u></u>>__>> wrote:<br>
<br>
On 08/20/2013 01:41 AM, Barry Flanagan<br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
@List Admins: Any chance there<br>
could be a mailing<br>
<br>
list<br>
<br>
created like<br>
spce-integration or spce-billing<br>
for such<br>
<br>
discussions?<br>
<br>
It could be<br>
useful and would help keep this<br>
list on topic.<br>
<br>
-Barry<br>
<br>
<br>
wouldn't that be a request for<br>
jbilling? I know Blesta<br>
<br>
has<br>
<br>
a dev area that would fit us all nice<br>
and tidy...I just<br>
bought a license and they gave me<br>
access ;)<br>
<br>
<br>
No, I was suggesting a list for the<br>
discussion of general<br>
<br>
SPCE<br>
<br>
integration issues relating to third party<br>
apps (jbilling<br>
blesta, SugarCRM, whatever) - not<br>
specifically jbilling or<br>
any other systems<br>
<br>
-Barry<br>
<br>
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