<div dir="ltr">Hi<div><br></div><div>Thanks for that input. I am not overly concerned with a customer going over by an hour or 2. In most cases we know them well enough to allow them to go into a slight minus and to my knowledge the cdrs are produced every 30 minutes (which can be changed as well). So if we set a credit limit of 1000 for someone and based on the cdr import he has now gone over by 100, we would just cut him then. I really haven't played around with the billing part of spce and just assumed that because prepaid is not supported it would have to be done through the billing solution. I will have to investigate some more on that then but as I said we are also investigating the pro version which may just sort that out.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Sebastien Lesimple <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:slesimple@laposte.net" target="_blank">slesimple@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Nop, no 2 seconds integration for the
prepay feature with SPCE.<br>
<br>
However, you might want to reconsider handling your prepay
(traffic shut-off) at the billing system level, because there
might be a flaw in the approach.<br>
I am far from being an expert on the prepay stuff so don't take it
as a word of expert, but based on my investigations on the
subject, it is not that simple to get things clean...<br>
<br>
You would have to check in real time the number of concurrent
calls and running cost for any given customers and maitain a
running balance and match it againts the credit limit.<br>
(a cron to check the running cost every sec on every call for the
computer guys approache, or in the signaling/voice strean for the
network guys, or something alike).<br>
<br>
So either you use Freeside do it does it "live", which might be
quite some work to get to a very clean solution;<br>
Or you import CDRs from SPCE, and then you have an issue as SPCE
produces CDR Files once every 5 hours or once it reaches a define
number of calls, not great if you have wholesale prepaid
clients...<br>
<br>
Bottom line, I would use the SPCE individual billing plan and
fraud detection to control the prepay part and Freeside to produce
invoices, account for the payments (Credit Cards, Wire etc...),
get your customers slef service for invoices, CDR files etc...<br>
And unlock the account in SPCE via the APIs once the credit is
applyed in Freeside, see the idea?<br>
<br>
Now there might be better billing solutions out there so don't
take that approach as the best one, it is just the way I would do
it do get up and running real quick with limited resources...<br>
<br>
Seb.<br>
<br>
Le 21/11/2014 06:11, Derrick Bradbury a écrit :<br>
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<p dir="ltr">One other one to look at is <a href="http://killbill.io" target="_blank">http://killbill.io</a> <br>
</p>
<p dir="ltr">Just started to look at that one...</p>
<div>On Nov 20, 2014 10:53 PM, Theo
<a href="mailto:axessofficetheo@gmail.com" target="_blank"><axessofficetheo@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks all for the input. Pity that nothing came of the
development at the time. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>I will investigate freeside although the statement:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"So if you have inhouse qualified people
it might do the trick" worries me a little, because we
don't :-).</span><br>
</div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">But let's have a look at
it to see what it will take to have something developed.
At this point, in terms of integration all we would need
really is CDR import, some way of disabling an account
upon reaching of credit limit in an automated way and
automated emails to a client that they are reaching their
credit limit (which would be our way of doing prepaid). We
are having a look at the pro version currently which would
have prepaid, but either way we would need it integrated.
Those are really the only 3 must haves for us to be able
to use sipwise fully.</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Sebastien - to achieve
those 3, would that be fairly involved or "2 seconds
work"?</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:34 AM,
Jeremy Ward <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:jward01@gmail.com" target="_blank">jward01@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Not only is it a hole in many open-source
projects, its a hole in many lower end of the price
range closed source products ($1-$2/Mo per seat/line)</p>
<p dir="ltr">For instance, VoipNOW does real time rating,
but to use billing you have to use their crappy
integrated "Automation" product. It comes with a
customer facing front end (even automated deployment of
subscribers) but its not even smart enough to allow an
end user to select a DID in their region during signup.
You still have to manually assign a DID, unless you want
it to pick one from your pool which could be anywhere.
</p>
<p dir="ltr">If you manually create an account through the
admin portal, there's no way to bill what you created
through the Automation component.</p>
<p dir="ltr">What's more, is that customers have to log
into two different interfaces, one to pay their bill,
and another to look at their individual charged calls
and then run a report, it's not even presented on the
bill and there's no way to integrate the two without
building something from scratch that uses their API.</p>
<p dir="ltr">The vendors answer: use our API, or buy
Parallels Automation (at about $90K USD, plus a
quarterly revenue share).<br>
</p>
<p dir="ltr">Whoever solves this huge hole and does so
under one product, low cost or open-source, is going to
get some serious market share.</p>
<p dir="ltr"><br>
Jeremy D. Ward, CWNE<br>
<a href="tel:%28954%29%20661-4965" value="+19546614965" target="_blank">(954) 661-4965</a></p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 20, 2014 11:13 AM,
"Oren Yehezkely" <<a href="mailto:orenyny@gmail.com" target="_blank">orenyny@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div dir="ltr">Theo,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To use either one jBilling or blesta
requires the community to invest, but nobody
was willing to chip in.</div>
<div>This is a big hole with many open source
projects, but this is the sad situation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at
10:40 AM, Abel Alejandro <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:aalejandro@alliedtechnologygrouppr.com" target="_blank">aalejandro@alliedtechnologygrouppr.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I use freeside - <a href="http://www.freeside.biz/" target="_blank">http://www.freeside.biz/</a>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Not as feature complete as jbilling
but gets the job done.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Abel.</div>
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2014 at 7:26 AM, Theo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:axessofficetheo@gmail.com" target="_blank">axessofficetheo@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There was a thread at one point
about integrating the CE version
with billing platforms. Jbilling
was mentioned and Blesta if I
remember correctly.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Are there any suggestions for
platforms that people use and have
working nicely with spce? Jbilling
of course is fantastic but way out
of bounds pricewise. Blesta is not
suitable for our environment.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We haven't use sipwise yet for
rating and billing for this reason
but are quite keen to start using
it for that as well.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks a lot for any input.</div>
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