<div dir="ltr">Hi<div><br></div><div>We actually played with it for a bit and it worked well (on freeswitch at the time) but doesn't sipwise already do rating? CGrates does exactly that - it rates, but doesn't do "billing/invoicing". Am I misunderstanding something here?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Andreas Granig <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agranig@sipwise.com" target="_blank">agranig@sipwise.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
That might be one approach, but at the Kamailio world, Dan Bogos<br>
presented <a href="http://www.cgrates.org/" target="_blank">http://www.cgrates.org/</a>, which is supposed to be a real-time<br>
rating engine.<br>
<br>
We've never had a look at that, but it sounds interesting enough as it<br>
seems to support prepaid and should be open-source, and is designed to<br>
work with Kamailio.<br>
<br>
Any real-life feedback of someone using this would be really cool.<br>
<br>
Andreas<br>
<span class=""><br>
On 11/21/2014 02:55 PM, Derrick Bradbury wrote:<br>
> Re-reading this, looks like what you really want you'll have to work at<br>
> the Kamailio level...<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://kamailio.org/docs/modules/devel/modules/cnxcc.html" target="_blank">http://kamailio.org/docs/modules/devel/modules/cnxcc.html</a><br>
><br>
> Doing this you'll break automatic updates of the SipCE system. You'll<br>
> have to setup a custom template and make your mods to that.<br>
><br>
</span>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> *From:* Sebastien Lesimple [<a href="mailto:slesimple@laposte.net">slesimple@laposte.net</a>]<br>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 3:39 AM<br>
> *To:* Derrick Bradbury; Theo<br>
> *Cc:* Spce-user<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [Spce-user] billing integration<br>
<div><div class="h5">><br>
> Nop, no 2 seconds integration for the prepay feature with SPCE.<br>
><br>
> However, you might want to reconsider handling your prepay (traffic<br>
> shut-off) at the billing system level, because there might be a flaw in<br>
> the approach.<br>
> I am far from being an expert on the prepay stuff so don't take it as a<br>
> word of expert, but based on my investigations on the subject, it is not<br>
> that simple to get things clean...<br>
><br>
> You would have to check in real time the number of concurrent calls and<br>
> running cost for any given customers and maitain a running balance and<br>
> match it againts the credit limit.<br>
> (a cron to check the running cost every sec on every call for the<br>
> computer guys approache, or in the signaling/voice strean for the<br>
> network guys, or something alike).<br>
><br>
> So either you use Freeside do it does it "live", which might be quite<br>
> some work to get to a very clean solution;<br>
> Or you import CDRs from SPCE, and then you have an issue as SPCE<br>
> produces CDR Files once every 5 hours or once it reaches a define number<br>
> of calls, not great if you have wholesale prepaid clients...<br>
><br>
> Bottom line, I would use the SPCE individual billing plan and fraud<br>
> detection to control the prepay part and Freeside to produce invoices,<br>
> account for the payments (Credit Cards, Wire etc...), get your customers<br>
> slef service for invoices, CDR files etc...<br>
> And unlock the account in SPCE via the APIs once the credit is applyed<br>
> in Freeside, see the idea?<br>
><br>
> Now there might be better billing solutions out there so don't take that<br>
> approach as the best one, it is just the way I would do it do get up and<br>
> running real quick with limited resources...<br>
><br>
> Seb.<br>
><br>
> Le 21/11/2014 06:11, Derrick Bradbury a écrit :<br>
>><br>
>> One other one to look at is <a href="http://killbill.io" target="_blank">http://killbill.io</a><br>
>><br>
>> Just started to look at that one...<br>
>><br>
>> On Nov 20, 2014 10:53 PM, Theo <<a href="mailto:axessofficetheo@gmail.com">axessofficetheo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Hi<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks all for the input. Pity that nothing came of the development at<br>
>> the time.<br>
>><br>
>> I will investigate freeside although the statement:<br>
>><br>
>> "So if you have inhouse qualified people it might do the trick"<br>
>> worries me a little, because we don't :-).<br>
>><br>
>> But let's have a look at it to see what it will take to have something<br>
>> developed. At this point, in terms of integration all we would need<br>
>> really is CDR import, some way of disabling an account upon reaching<br>
>> of credit limit in an automated way and automated emails to a client<br>
>> that they are reaching their credit limit (which would be our way of<br>
>> doing prepaid). We are having a look at the pro version currently<br>
>> which would have prepaid, but either way we would need it integrated.<br>
>> Those are really the only 3 must haves for us to be able to use<br>
>> sipwise fully.<br>
>><br>
>> Sebastien - to achieve those 3, would that be fairly involved or "2<br>
>> seconds work"?<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jeremy Ward <<a href="mailto:jward01@gmail.com">jward01@gmail.com</a><br>
</div></div><div><div class="h5">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jward01@gmail.com">jward01@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Not only is it a hole in many open-source projects, its a hole in<br>
>> many lower end of the price range closed source products ($1-$2/Mo<br>
>> per seat/line)<br>
>><br>
>> For instance, VoipNOW does real time rating, but to use billing<br>
>> you have to use their crappy integrated "Automation" product. It<br>
>> comes with a customer facing front end (even automated deployment<br>
>> of subscribers) but its not even smart enough to allow an end user<br>
>> to select a DID in their region during signup. You still have to<br>
>> manually assign a DID, unless you want it to pick one from your<br>
>> pool which could be anywhere.<br>
>><br>
>> If you manually create an account through the admin portal,<br>
>> there's no way to bill what you created through the Automation<br>
>> component.<br>
>><br>
>> What's more, is that customers have to log into two different<br>
>> interfaces, one to pay their bill, and another to look at their<br>
>> individual charged calls and then run a report, it's not even<br>
>> presented on the bill and there's no way to integrate the two<br>
>> without building something from scratch that uses their API.<br>
>><br>
>> The vendors answer: use our API, or buy Parallels Automation (at<br>
>> about $90K USD, plus a quarterly revenue share).<br>
>><br>
>> Whoever solves this huge hole and does so under one product, low<br>
>> cost or open-source, is going to get some serious market share.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Jeremy D. Ward, CWNE<br>
</div></div>>> <a href="tel:%28954%29%20661-4965" value="+19546614965">(954) 661-4965</a> <tel:%28954%29%20661-4965><br>
<span class="">>><br>
>> On Nov 20, 2014 11:13 AM, "Oren Yehezkely" <<a href="mailto:orenyny@gmail.com">orenyny@gmail.com</a><br>
</span><span class="">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:orenyny@gmail.com">orenyny@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Theo,<br>
>><br>
>> To use either one jBilling or blesta requires the community to<br>
>> invest, but nobody was willing to chip in.<br>
>> This is a big hole with many open source projects, but this is<br>
>> the sad situation.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Abel Alejandro<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:aalejandro@alliedtechnologygrouppr.com">aalejandro@alliedtechnologygrouppr.com</a><br>
</span><span class="">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:aalejandro@alliedtechnologygrouppr.com">aalejandro@alliedtechnologygrouppr.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I use freeside - <a href="http://www.freeside.biz/" target="_blank">http://www.freeside.biz/</a><br>
>><br>
>> Not as feature complete as jbilling but gets the job done.<br>
>><br>
>> Abel.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Theo<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:axessofficetheo@gmail.com">axessofficetheo@gmail.com</a><br>
</span><span class="">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:axessofficetheo@gmail.com">axessofficetheo@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi all<br>
>><br>
>> There was a thread at one point about integrating the<br>
>> CE version with billing platforms. Jbilling was<br>
>> mentioned and Blesta if I remember correctly.<br>
>><br>
>> Are there any suggestions for platforms that people<br>
>> use and have working nicely with spce? Jbilling of<br>
>> course is fantastic but way out of bounds pricewise.<br>
>> Blesta is not suitable for our environment.<br>
>><br>
>> We haven't use sipwise yet for rating and billing for<br>
>> this reason but are quite keen to start using it for<br>
>> that as well.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks a lot for any input.<br>
>><br>
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