[Spce-user] billing integration
Martin Stix
ms at pluteus.at
Tue Nov 25 05:10:34 EST 2014
Hi!
If anyone is looking for a simple to use tailormade solution for Postpaid Billing, we can offer this.
Just some features:
.) Sync CDR's from spce via SCP
.) See customers, subscribers, registrations etc., Maintain them via spce api
.) Design your own report templates for invoices, CDR Reports with interactive designer (Drag and Drop Variables ) etc.
.) Automatically generate invoices and CDR Reports monthly and send it via E-Mail
.) etc.
See attached Screenshots.
Please contact us for further information.
Also any ideas/suggestions welcome.
mit freundlichen Grüßen
best regards
Martin Stix
CEO
pluteus communication solutions
ms at pluteus.at
Dampfsägestraße 17
3300 Amstetten
Austria
tel.: +43 7472 28165 20
fax.: +43 7472 28165 22
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andreas Granig [mailto:agranig at sipwise.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. November 2014 10:38
An: Theo
Cc: spce-user at lists.sipwise.com
Betreff: Re: [Spce-user] billing integration
Hi Theo,
Sipwise does indeed do the rating, and in PRO we even do prepaid. But since Derrick pointed out cnxcc, I just provided a hint for an alternative (which seems more suitable).
Both don't do billing/invoicing, but that was not the context I was replying to.
As for freeside, the UI looks like you really need to get used to it and doesn't provide an API for some tight integration into the SPCE, which scared me personally for really trying it out.
The whole CRM/ERP/Payment part is indeed a pretty huge gap if you look for deploying a complete self-sustained end-to-end system. It's really not rocket science to do it, it's just a lot of grunt work to implement it, and our paying customers usually have such systems already in place, so there is nobody paying for the work. That's the sad situation around this topic from the CE point of view. A crowd-funding campaign for that is most likely going to fail due to its niche. It even doesn't work for generic CRMs, as the SuiteCRM campaign has shown.
Andreas
On 11/24/2014 03:04 PM, Theo wrote:
> Hi
>
> We actually played with it for a bit and it worked well (on freeswitch
> at the time) but doesn't sipwise already do rating? CGrates does
> exactly that - it rates, but doesn't do "billing/invoicing". Am I
> misunderstanding something here?
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Andreas Granig <agranig at sipwise.com
> <mailto:agranig at sipwise.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> That might be one approach, but at the Kamailio world, Dan Bogos
> presented http://www.cgrates.org/, which is supposed to be a real-time
> rating engine.
>
> We've never had a look at that, but it sounds interesting enough as it
> seems to support prepaid and should be open-source, and is designed to
> work with Kamailio.
>
> Any real-life feedback of someone using this would be really cool.
>
> Andreas
>
> On 11/21/2014 02:55 PM, Derrick Bradbury wrote:
> > Re-reading this, looks like what you really want you'll have to work at
> > the Kamailio level...
> >
> > http://kamailio.org/docs/modules/devel/modules/cnxcc.html
> >
> > Doing this you'll break automatic updates of the SipCE system. You'll
> > have to setup a custom template and make your mods to that.
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Sebastien Lesimple [slesimple at laposte.net
> <mailto:slesimple at laposte.net>]
> > *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 3:39 AM
> > *To:* Derrick Bradbury; Theo
> > *Cc:* Spce-user
> > *Subject:* Re: [Spce-user] billing integration
> >
> > Nop, no 2 seconds integration for the prepay feature with SPCE.
> >
> > However, you might want to reconsider handling your prepay (traffic
> > shut-off) at the billing system level, because there might be a
> flaw in
> > the approach.
> > I am far from being an expert on the prepay stuff so don't take it
> as a
> > word of expert, but based on my investigations on the subject, it
> is not
> > that simple to get things clean...
> >
> > You would have to check in real time the number of concurrent
> calls and
> > running cost for any given customers and maitain a running balance and
> > match it againts the credit limit.
> > (a cron to check the running cost every sec on every call for the
> > computer guys approache, or in the signaling/voice strean for the
> > network guys, or something alike).
> >
> > So either you use Freeside do it does it "live", which might be quite
> > some work to get to a very clean solution;
> > Or you import CDRs from SPCE, and then you have an issue as SPCE
> > produces CDR Files once every 5 hours or once it reaches a define
> number
> > of calls, not great if you have wholesale prepaid clients...
> >
> > Bottom line, I would use the SPCE individual billing plan and fraud
> > detection to control the prepay part and Freeside to produce invoices,
> > account for the payments (Credit Cards, Wire etc...), get your
> customers
> > slef service for invoices, CDR files etc...
> > And unlock the account in SPCE via the APIs once the credit is applyed
> > in Freeside, see the idea?
> >
> > Now there might be better billing solutions out there so don't
> take that
> > approach as the best one, it is just the way I would do it do get
> up and
> > running real quick with limited resources...
> >
> > Seb.
> >
> > Le 21/11/2014 06:11, Derrick Bradbury a écrit :
> >>
> >> One other one to look at is http://killbill.io
> >>
> >> Just started to look at that one...
> >>
> >> On Nov 20, 2014 10:53 PM, Theo <axessofficetheo at gmail.com
> <mailto:axessofficetheo at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Thanks all for the input. Pity that nothing came of the
> development at
> >> the time.
> >>
> >> I will investigate freeside although the statement:
> >>
> >> "So if you have inhouse qualified people it might do the trick"
> >> worries me a little, because we don't :-).
> >>
> >> But let's have a look at it to see what it will take to have
> something
> >> developed. At this point, in terms of integration all we would need
> >> really is CDR import, some way of disabling an account upon reaching
> >> of credit limit in an automated way and automated emails to a client
> >> that they are reaching their credit limit (which would be our way of
> >> doing prepaid). We are having a look at the pro version currently
> >> which would have prepaid, but either way we would need it integrated.
> >> Those are really the only 3 must haves for us to be able to use
> >> sipwise fully.
> >>
> >> Sebastien - to achieve those 3, would that be fairly involved or "2
> >> seconds work"?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jeremy Ward <jward01 at gmail.com
> <mailto:jward01 at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:jward01 at gmail.com <mailto:jward01 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not only is it a hole in many open-source projects, its a hole in
> >> many lower end of the price range closed source products
> ($1-$2/Mo
> >> per seat/line)
> >>
> >> For instance, VoipNOW does real time rating, but to use billing
> >> you have to use their crappy integrated "Automation" product. It
> >> comes with a customer facing front end (even automated deployment
> >> of subscribers) but its not even smart enough to allow an end
> user
> >> to select a DID in their region during signup. You still have to
> >> manually assign a DID, unless you want it to pick one from your
> >> pool which could be anywhere.
> >>
> >> If you manually create an account through the admin portal,
> >> there's no way to bill what you created through the Automation
> >> component.
> >>
> >> What's more, is that customers have to log into two different
> >> interfaces, one to pay their bill, and another to look at their
> >> individual charged calls and then run a report, it's not even
> >> presented on the bill and there's no way to integrate the two
> >> without building something from scratch that uses their API.
> >>
> >> The vendors answer: use our API, or buy Parallels Automation (at
> >> about $90K USD, plus a quarterly revenue share).
> >>
> >> Whoever solves this huge hole and does so under one product, low
> >> cost or open-source, is going to get some serious market share.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeremy D. Ward, CWNE
> >> (954) 661-4965 <tel:%28954%29%20661-4965>
> <tel:%28954%29%20661-4965>
> >>
> >> On Nov 20, 2014 11:13 AM, "Oren Yehezkely" <orenyny at gmail.com <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Theo,
> >>
> >> To use either one jBilling or blesta requires the community to
> >> invest, but nobody was willing to chip in.
> >> This is a big hole with many open source projects, but this is
> >> the sad situation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Abel Alejandro
> >> <aalejandro at alliedtechnologygrouppr.com
> <mailto:aalejandro at alliedtechnologygrouppr.com>
> >> <mailto:aalejandro at alliedtechnologygrouppr.com
> <mailto:aalejandro at alliedtechnologygrouppr.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I use freeside - http://www.freeside.biz/
> >>
> >> Not as feature complete as jbilling but gets the job done.
> >>
> >> Abel.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Theo
> >> <axessofficetheo at gmail.com <mailto:axessofficetheo at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:axessofficetheo at gmail.com <mailto:axessofficetheo at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> There was a thread at one point about integrating the
> >> CE version with billing platforms. Jbilling was
> >> mentioned and Blesta if I remember correctly.
> >>
> >> Are there any suggestions for platforms that people
> >> use and have working nicely with spce? Jbilling of
> >> course is fantastic but way out of bounds pricewise.
> >> Blesta is not suitable for our environment.
> >>
> >> We haven't use sipwise yet for rating and billing for
> >> this reason but are quite keen to start using it for
> >> that as well.
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot for any input.
> >>
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