[Spce-user] Using an external billing system
Oren Yehezkely
orenyny at gmail.com
Wed Aug 21 12:38:38 EDT 2013
Skyler,
I bet that we all want these features and more.
However this is much more than billing. this is a complete front end
development, including a portal, billing and provisioning
(we did have a short discussion a few months ago about Provisioner.net...).
I don't assume that anybody will do this for us for free.
We need to organize to raise the needed funds and develop this together.
If any of you is interested in participating, feel free to PM me.
Oren
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Skyler <skchopperguy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oren, I definitely agree that the end solution needs to be done in a
> serious way and be open to adding/customizing for anyone.
>
> What we should do here is have everyone pitch-in to create a list of
> specific objectives or needs that the billing solution must have. Then both
> projects can use those same objectives.
>
> New User signup:
> - A form that creates new accounts and services in billing and sipwise.
>
> End-user panel:
>
> - Secure login
> - Overview of account
> - Ability to pay invoices
> - Ability to view/download/email past paid invoices
> - Ability to create support tickets
> - Ability to edit billing address
> - Ability to edit e911 service address if different
> - Ability to buy DID's and add service(s)
> - Ability to manage phones and/or adapters
> - Ability to auto-suspend service(s)
> - Ability to view/search/download CDR for account and/or per DID
> - Ability to view/listen/download/delete voicemail
> - Ability to create call-forwarding or ring-group(s)
> - Ability to ...
>
> Admin Panel:
>
> - View and control all end-user(s) functions
> - View and control all sipwise functions
> - Accounting ...
>
>
> Skyler
>
>
> On 08/21/2013 09:06 AM, Oren Yehezkely wrote:
>
>> Skyler,
>>
>> I agree with Gavin regarding forking jBilling (from version 2.0) if we
>> can get the programmers to do that.
>> As I mentioned I am willing to contribute if this is done seriously. If
>> there is a programmer in the list who is able and willing to do such work,
>> please feel free to PM me.
>> I am willing to try a general solution like Blesta, but the nature of
>> these products is that they are too general and I did not find any of
>> them that will fit for telecom needs.
>> Most of those products target ISPs, domain and email providers. None of
>> them would even look at VoIP.
>>
>> jBilling is the first one I have seem that got it right (or at least
>> very close ;) )
>>
>> Oren
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Skyler <skchopperguy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com**>> wrote:
>>
>> Gavin, that is actually the power of sipwise. It can have anything
>> available via API so if you want some complicated data, it can be
>> exposed rather easily.
>>
>> A solution like Blesta could quickly take advantage of any
>> functions exposed. Limits really seem endless. One example (of
>> hundreds) is device management. Users could manage or at least have
>> access to specific settings for any device via the Blesta customer
>> area...and any changes could be self-administered to some extent.
>>
>> I understand that jbilling can pull cdr's and create billing. The
>> goal is world domination, I just don't see JBilling being able to
>> handle that without forking $24,000/yr.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/21/2013 08:04 AM, Gavin Sweet wrote:
>>
>> If you *have* to use the API, then its going to be expensive
>> these days,
>> certainly compared to free ;-)
>>
>> The other option is to do things in batch, but this limits you
>> to a specific
>> architecture, and also really prevents you from doing pre-pay.
>>
>> (Or, you go back to using version 2, which still includes the
>> API, and fork
>> the software from there).
>>
>> I don't really know Blesta, but I'd be interested to know what
>> kind of
>> volumes of CDR's you can scale to there. I guess a lot of people
>> on this
>> group will only do their mediation and rating in sipwise, so its
>> not really
>> an issue, you can inherit all the values directly from the CDR
>> files. If
>> however you want to apply any kind of alternative/mixed rating
>> schemas with
>> logic other than that supported by sipwise (e.g. bundles, e.g.
>> other CDR
>> suppliers, e.g. etc etc) then you need a mediation and rating
>> engine in your
>> billing system (or find another open source) and you do need it
>> to scale
>> once you're getting into the millions of records.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Gavin
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> On Behalf Of Skyler
>> Sent: 21 August 2013 15:51
>> To: Barry Flanagan
>> Cc: spce-user
>> Subject: Re: [Spce-user] Using an external billing system
>>
>> Thanks Barry, that's what I understood as well. The JBilling
>> API and
>> any customization access is _only_ available for the
>> Enterprise or
>> Telco
>> version(s) as of v3. So it is really useless to any of us
>> ... unless
>> your willing to shell out $2k/mth.
>>
>> I've been looking around for months..years even. Blesta
>> really is the
>> only option I could find that would accommodate every need
>> while being
>> 100% front-end (admin/users) for spce. Takes programming and
>> time, I am
>> talking with the creators right now and will know a cost
>> soon. I'm
>> thinking the module(s)/plugins(s) can be hosted with sipwise
>> so we can
>> simply D/L into Blesta any time.
>>
>> --Skyler
>>
>>
>> On 08/21/2013 04:36 AM, Barry Flanagan wrote:
>>
>> On 21 August 2013 05:01, Oren Yehezkely
>> <orenyny at gmail.com <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com>>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Skyler,
>>
>> I also thought at the beginning that (jBilling) CE
>> is locked
>>
>> down.
>>
>> But on a second look I am not sure about it anymore.
>>
>> I think we should give it a chance, especially if
>> we have some
>> people here in the list who are experts for
>> jBilling.
>>
>>
>> The problem with the CE version of jBilling is there is
>> no API at all
>> - they took it out when going from v2 -> v3. Makes it
>> fairly useless
>> as it can't be integrated easily with anything else.
>>
>> -Barry
>>
>>
>> I am willing to participate significantly in a
>> bounty for
>>
>> jBilling
>>
>> integration.
>>
>> I have also been following Blesta for several
>> years now. Not sure
>>
>> if
>>
>> this is a product for telco services, but I am
>> willing to listen
>>
>> and
>>
>> may be willing to contribute for a bounty to
>> integrate Blesta as
>>
>> well.
>>
>>
>> I prefer to stay in this list. IMHO - a forum is
>> more efficient
>>
>> that
>>
>> a mailing list but this could be a different issue
>> all together.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Oren
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM,
>> <skchopperguy at gmail.com <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com**>
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com**>__>> wrote:
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>>
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>> *To:* "Barry Flanagan" <barry at flanagan.ie
>> <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>
>> <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie
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>> <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>>>
>> *CC:* "Skyler" <skchopperguy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com**>
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>>
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>>
>> *Sent:* August 20, 2013 6:36 AM
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Spce-user] Using an external
>> billing system
>>
>> Telco version of jbilling is 2000.00 US per
>> month.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Barry Flanagan
>>
>> <barry at flanagan.ie <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>
>>
>> <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie
>>
>> <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>>> wrote:
>>
>> On 20 August 2013 09:51, Skyler
>> <skchopperguy at gmail.com <mailto:
>> skchopperguy at gmail.com**>
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com
>>
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com**>__>> wrote:
>>
>> On 08/20/2013 01:41 AM, Barry Flanagan
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> @List Admins: Any chance there
>> could be a mailing
>>
>> list
>>
>> created like
>> spce-integration or spce-billing
>> for such
>>
>> discussions?
>>
>> It could be
>> useful and would help keep this
>> list on topic.
>>
>> -Barry
>>
>>
>> wouldn't that be a request for
>> jbilling? I know Blesta
>>
>> has
>>
>> a dev area that would fit us all nice
>> and tidy...I just
>> bought a license and they gave me
>> access ;)
>>
>>
>> No, I was suggesting a list for the
>> discussion of general
>>
>> SPCE
>>
>> integration issues relating to third party
>> apps (jbilling
>> blesta, SugarCRM, whatever) - not
>> specifically jbilling or
>> any other systems
>>
>> -Barry
>>
>>
>>
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