[Spce-user] Using an external billing system
Gavin Sweet
gavin.sweet at skyracktechnology.com
Wed Aug 21 12:22:08 EDT 2013
There's still a lot good about v2 as well. Just the UI is a bit nasty.
I can't unfortunately offer lots of free time, that would be like
cannibalistic suicide seeing as we normally make money that way. It would be
like asking someone on the Sipwise group to build the Pro features that they
charge for, right?
However, if there's a java dev her who really wants to donate time for free
...?
From: Oren Yehezkely [mailto:orenyny at gmail.com]
Sent: 21 August 2013 17:07
To: Skyler
Cc: gavin.sweet at skyracktelecom.com; spce-user
Subject: Re: [Spce-user] Using an external billing system
Skyler,
I agree with Gavin regarding forking jBilling (from version 2.0) if we can
get the programmers to do that.
As I mentioned I am willing to contribute if this is done seriously. If
there is a programmer in the list who is able and willing to do such work,
please feel free to PM me.
I am willing to try a general solution like Blesta, but the nature of these
products is that they are too general and I did not find any of them that
will fit for telecom needs.
Most of those products target ISPs, domain and email providers. None of them
would even look at VoIP.
jBilling is the first one I have seem that got it right (or at least very
close ;) )
Oren
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Skyler <skchopperguy at gmail.com> wrote:
Gavin, that is actually the power of sipwise. It can have anything available
via API so if you want some complicated data, it can be exposed rather
easily.
A solution like Blesta could quickly take advantage of any functions
exposed. Limits really seem endless. One example (of hundreds) is device
management. Users could manage or at least have access to specific settings
for any device via the Blesta customer area...and any changes could be
self-administered to some extent.
I understand that jbilling can pull cdr's and create billing. The goal is
world domination, I just don't see JBilling being able to handle that
without forking $24,000/yr.
On 08/21/2013 08:04 AM, Gavin Sweet wrote:
If you *have* to use the API, then its going to be expensive these days,
certainly compared to free ;-)
The other option is to do things in batch, but this limits you to a specific
architecture, and also really prevents you from doing pre-pay.
(Or, you go back to using version 2, which still includes the API, and fork
the software from there).
I don't really know Blesta, but I'd be interested to know what kind of
volumes of CDR's you can scale to there. I guess a lot of people on this
group will only do their mediation and rating in sipwise, so its not really
an issue, you can inherit all the values directly from the CDR files. If
however you want to apply any kind of alternative/mixed rating schemas with
logic other than that supported by sipwise (e.g. bundles, e.g. other CDR
suppliers, e.g. etc etc) then you need a mediation and rating engine in your
billing system (or find another open source) and you do need it to scale
once you're getting into the millions of records.
Cheers
Gavin
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From: spce-user-bounces at lists.sipwise.com [mailto:spce-user-
bounces at lists.sipwise.com] On Behalf Of Skyler
Sent: 21 August 2013 15:51
To: Barry Flanagan
Cc: spce-user
Subject: Re: [Spce-user] Using an external billing system
Thanks Barry, that's what I understood as well. The JBilling API and
any customization access is _only_ available for the Enterprise or
Telco
version(s) as of v3. So it is really useless to any of us ... unless
your willing to shell out $2k/mth.
I've been looking around for months..years even. Blesta really is the
only option I could find that would accommodate every need while being
100% front-end (admin/users) for spce. Takes programming and time, I am
talking with the creators right now and will know a cost soon. I'm
thinking the module(s)/plugins(s) can be hosted with sipwise so we can
simply D/L into Blesta any time.
--Skyler
On 08/21/2013 04:36 AM, Barry Flanagan wrote:
On 21 August 2013 05:01, Oren Yehezkely <orenyny at gmail.com
<mailto:orenyny at gmail.com>> wrote:
Skyler,
I also thought at the beginning that (jBilling) CE is locked
down.
But on a second look I am not sure about it anymore.
I think we should give it a chance, especially if we have some
people here in the list who are experts for jBilling.
The problem with the CE version of jBilling is there is no API at all
- they took it out when going from v2 -> v3. Makes it fairly useless
as it can't be integrated easily with anything else.
-Barry
I am willing to participate significantly in a bounty for
jBilling
integration.
I have also been following Blesta for several years now. Not sure
if
this is a product for telco services, but I am willing to listen
and
may be willing to contribute for a bounty to integrate Blesta as
well.
I prefer to stay in this list. IMHO - a forum is more efficient
that
a mailing list but this could be a different issue all together.
Thanks,
Oren
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM, <skchopperguy at gmail.com
<mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>> wrote:
Wow.
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*To:* "Barry Flanagan" <barry at flanagan.ie
<mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>>
*CC:* "Skyler" <skchopperguy at gmail.com
<mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>>, "spce-
user at lists.sipwise.com
<mailto:spce-user at lists.sipwise.com>"
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user at lists.sipwise.com>>
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Telco version of jbilling is 2000.00 US per month.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 20, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Barry Flanagan
<barry at flanagan.ie
<mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>> wrote:
On 20 August 2013 09:51, Skyler <skchopperguy at gmail.com
<mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>> wrote:
On 08/20/2013 01:41 AM, Barry Flanagan wrote:
@List Admins: Any chance there could be a mailing
list
created like
spce-integration or spce-billing for such
discussions?
It could be
useful and would help keep this list on topic.
-Barry
wouldn't that be a request for jbilling? I know Blesta
has
a dev area that would fit us all nice and tidy...I just
bought a license and they gave me access ;)
No, I was suggesting a list for the discussion of general
SPCE
integration issues relating to third party apps (jbilling
blesta, SugarCRM, whatever) - not specifically jbilling or
any other systems
-Barry
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