[Spce-user] Using an external billing system
Skyler
skchopperguy at gmail.com
Wed Aug 21 13:46:44 EDT 2013
Great. What are you committing? Cash,coding...
-Skyler
On 08/21/2013 10:46 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> I'm in.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 21, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Oren Yehezkely <orenyny at gmail.com
> <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Skyler,
>>
>> I bet that we all want these features and more.
>> However this is much more than billing. this is a complete front end
>> development, including a portal, billing and provisioning
>> (we did have a short discussion a few months ago about Provisioner.net
>> <http://Provisioner.net>...).
>>
>> I don't assume that anybody will do this for us for free.
>>
>> We need to organize to raise the needed funds and develop this together.
>>
>> If any of you is interested in participating, feel free to PM me.
>>
>> Oren
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Skyler <skchopperguy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Oren, I definitely agree that the end solution needs to be done in
>> a serious way and be open to adding/customizing for anyone.
>>
>> What we should do here is have everyone pitch-in to create a list
>> of specific objectives or needs that the billing solution must
>> have. Then both projects can use those same objectives.
>>
>> New User signup:
>> - A form that creates new accounts and services in billing and
>> sipwise.
>>
>> End-user panel:
>>
>> - Secure login
>> - Overview of account
>> - Ability to pay invoices
>> - Ability to view/download/email past paid invoices
>> - Ability to create support tickets
>> - Ability to edit billing address
>> - Ability to edit e911 service address if different
>> - Ability to buy DID's and add service(s)
>> - Ability to manage phones and/or adapters
>> - Ability to auto-suspend service(s)
>> - Ability to view/search/download CDR for account and/or per DID
>> - Ability to view/listen/download/delete voicemail
>> - Ability to create call-forwarding or ring-group(s)
>> - Ability to ...
>>
>> Admin Panel:
>>
>> - View and control all end-user(s) functions
>> - View and control all sipwise functions
>> - Accounting ...
>>
>>
>> Skyler
>>
>>
>> On 08/21/2013 09:06 AM, Oren Yehezkely wrote:
>>
>> Skyler,
>>
>> I agree with Gavin regarding forking jBilling (from version
>> 2.0) if we
>> can get the programmers to do that.
>> As I mentioned I am willing to contribute if this is done
>> seriously. If
>> there is a programmer in the list who is able and willing to
>> do such work,
>> please feel free to PM me.
>> I am willing to try a general solution like Blesta, but the
>> nature of
>> these products is that they are too general and I did not find
>> any of
>> them that will fit for telecom needs.
>> Most of those products target ISPs, domain and email
>> providers. None of
>> them would even look at VoIP.
>>
>> jBilling is the first one I have seem that got it right (or at
>> least
>> very close ;) )
>>
>> Oren
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Skyler
>> <skchopperguy at gmail.com <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>__>> wrote:
>>
>> Gavin, that is actually the power of sipwise. It can have
>> anything
>> available via API so if you want some complicated data, it
>> can be
>> exposed rather easily.
>>
>> A solution like Blesta could quickly take advantage of any
>> functions exposed. Limits really seem endless. One example (of
>> hundreds) is device management. Users could manage or at
>> least have
>> access to specific settings for any device via the Blesta
>> customer
>> area...and any changes could be self-administered to some
>> extent.
>>
>> I understand that jbilling can pull cdr's and create
>> billing. The
>> goal is world domination, I just don't see JBilling being
>> able to
>> handle that without forking $24,000/yr.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/21/2013 08:04 AM, Gavin Sweet wrote:
>>
>> If you *have* to use the API, then its going to be
>> expensive
>> these days,
>> certainly compared to free ;-)
>>
>> The other option is to do things in batch, but this
>> limits you
>> to a specific
>> architecture, and also really prevents you from doing
>> pre-pay.
>>
>> (Or, you go back to using version 2, which still
>> includes the
>> API, and fork
>> the software from there).
>>
>> I don't really know Blesta, but I'd be interested to
>> know what
>> kind of
>> volumes of CDR's you can scale to there. I guess a lot
>> of people
>> on this
>> group will only do their mediation and rating in
>> sipwise, so its
>> not really
>> an issue, you can inherit all the values directly from
>> the CDR
>> files. If
>> however you want to apply any kind of
>> alternative/mixed rating
>> schemas with
>> logic other than that supported by sipwise (e.g.
>> bundles, e.g.
>> other CDR
>> suppliers, e.g. etc etc) then you need a mediation and
>> rating
>> engine in your
>> billing system (or find another open source) and you
>> do need it
>> to scale
>> once you're getting into the millions of records.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Gavin
>>
>>
>>
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>> <mailto:bounces at lists.sipwise.com>>] On Behalf Of Skyler
>> Sent: 21 August 2013 15:51
>> To: Barry Flanagan
>> Cc: spce-user
>> Subject: Re: [Spce-user] Using an external billing
>> system
>>
>> Thanks Barry, that's what I understood as well.
>> The JBilling
>> API and
>> any customization access is _only_ available for the
>> Enterprise or
>> Telco
>> version(s) as of v3. So it is really useless to
>> any of us
>> ... unless
>> your willing to shell out $2k/mth.
>>
>> I've been looking around for months..years even.
>> Blesta
>> really is the
>> only option I could find that would accommodate
>> every need
>> while being
>> 100% front-end (admin/users) for spce. Takes
>> programming and
>> time, I am
>> talking with the creators right now and will know
>> a cost
>> soon. I'm
>> thinking the module(s)/plugins(s) can be hosted
>> with sipwise
>> so we can
>> simply D/L into Blesta any time.
>>
>> --Skyler
>>
>>
>> On 08/21/2013 04:36 AM, Barry Flanagan wrote:
>>
>> On 21 August 2013 05:01, Oren Yehezkely
>> <orenyny at gmail.com <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com
>> <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com> <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com
>> <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com>>>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Skyler,
>>
>> I also thought at the beginning that
>> (jBilling) CE
>> is locked
>>
>> down.
>>
>> But on a second look I am not sure about
>> it anymore.
>>
>> I think we should give it a chance,
>> especially if
>> we have some
>> people here in the list who are experts
>> for jBilling.
>>
>>
>> The problem with the CE version of jBilling is
>> there is
>> no API at all
>> - they took it out when going from v2 -> v3.
>> Makes it
>> fairly useless
>> as it can't be integrated easily with anything
>> else.
>>
>> -Barry
>>
>>
>> I am willing to participate
>> significantly in a
>> bounty for
>>
>> jBilling
>>
>> integration.
>>
>> I have also been following Blesta for
>> several
>> years now. Not sure
>>
>> if
>>
>> this is a product for telco services,
>> but I am
>> willing to listen
>>
>> and
>>
>> may be willing to contribute for a bounty to
>> integrate Blesta as
>>
>> well.
>>
>>
>> I prefer to stay in this list. IMHO - a
>> forum is
>> more efficient
>>
>> that
>>
>> a mailing list but this could be a
>> different issue
>> all together.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Oren
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM,
>> <skchopperguy at gmail.com
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>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>__>__>> wrote:
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:* "Jeremie Chism"
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>> *To:* "Barry Flanagan"
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>> *CC:* "Skyler"
>> <skchopperguy at gmail.com <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>
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>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>__>__>>, "spce-
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>> *Sent:* August 20, 2013 6:36 AM
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Spce-user] Using an
>> external
>> billing system
>>
>> Telco version of jbilling is 2000.00
>> US per month.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Barry
>> Flanagan
>>
>> <barry at flanagan.ie <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>
>> <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>>
>>
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>>
>> <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie
>> <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>>>> wrote:
>>
>> On 20 August 2013 09:51, Skyler
>> <skchopperguy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>__>
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>
>>
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>__>__>> wrote:
>>
>> On 08/20/2013 01:41 AM,
>> Barry Flanagan
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> @List Admins: Any chance
>> there
>> could be a mailing
>>
>> list
>>
>> created like
>> spce-integration or
>> spce-billing
>> for such
>>
>> discussions?
>>
>> It could be
>> useful and would help
>> keep this
>> list on topic.
>>
>> -Barry
>>
>>
>> wouldn't that be a request for
>> jbilling? I know Blesta
>>
>> has
>>
>> a dev area that would fit us
>> all nice
>> and tidy...I just
>> bought a license and they
>> gave me
>> access ;)
>>
>>
>> No, I was suggesting a list for the
>> discussion of general
>>
>> SPCE
>>
>> integration issues relating to
>> third party
>> apps (jbilling
>> blesta, SugarCRM, whatever) - not
>> specifically jbilling or
>> any other systems
>>
>> -Barry
>>
>>
>>
>>
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