[Spce-user] Using an external billing system

Jeremie Chism jchism2 at gmail.com
Wed Aug 21 13:46:07 EDT 2013


I'm in. 

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On Aug 21, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Oren Yehezkely <orenyny at gmail.com> wrote:

> Skyler,
> 
> I bet that we all want these features and more.
> However this is much more than billing. this is a complete front end development, including a portal, billing and provisioning
> (we did have a short discussion a few months ago about Provisioner.net...).
> 
> I don't assume that anybody will do this for us for free.
> 
> We need to organize to raise the needed funds and develop this together.
> 
> If any of you is interested in participating, feel free to PM me.
> 
> Oren
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Skyler <skchopperguy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oren, I definitely agree that the end solution needs to be done in a serious way and be open to adding/customizing for anyone.
>> 
>> What we should do here is have everyone pitch-in to create a list of specific objectives or needs that the billing solution must have. Then both projects can use those same objectives.
>> 
>> New User signup:
>> - A form that creates new accounts and services in billing and sipwise.
>> 
>> End-user panel:
>> 
>> - Secure login
>> - Overview of account
>> - Ability to pay invoices
>> - Ability to view/download/email past paid invoices
>> - Ability to create support tickets
>> - Ability to edit billing address
>> - Ability to edit e911 service address if different
>> - Ability to buy DID's and add service(s)
>> - Ability to manage phones and/or adapters
>> - Ability to auto-suspend service(s)
>> - Ability to view/search/download CDR for account and/or per DID
>> - Ability to view/listen/download/delete voicemail
>> - Ability to create call-forwarding or ring-group(s)
>> - Ability to ...
>> 
>> Admin Panel:
>> 
>> - View and control all end-user(s) functions
>> - View and control all sipwise functions
>> - Accounting ...
>> 
>> 
>> Skyler
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/21/2013 09:06 AM, Oren Yehezkely wrote:
>>> Skyler,
>>> 
>>> I agree with Gavin regarding forking jBilling (from version 2.0) if we
>>> can get the programmers to do that.
>>> As I mentioned I am willing to contribute if this is done seriously. If
>>> there is a programmer in the list who is able and willing to do such work,
>>> please feel free to PM me.
>>> I am willing to try a general solution like Blesta, but the nature of
>>> these products is that they are too general and I did not find any of
>>> them that will fit for telecom needs.
>>> Most of those products target ISPs, domain and email providers. None of
>>> them would even look at VoIP.
>>> 
>>> jBilling is the first one I have seem that got it right (or at least
>>> very close ;) )
>>> 
>>> Oren
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Skyler <skchopperguy at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>     Gavin, that is actually the power of sipwise. It can have anything
>>>     available via API so if you want some complicated data, it can be
>>>     exposed rather easily.
>>> 
>>>       A solution like Blesta could quickly take advantage of any
>>>     functions exposed. Limits really seem endless. One example (of
>>>     hundreds) is device management. Users could manage or at least have
>>>     access to specific settings for any device via the Blesta customer
>>>     area...and any changes could be self-administered to some extent.
>>> 
>>>     I understand that jbilling can pull cdr's and create billing. The
>>>     goal is world domination, I just don't see JBilling being able to
>>>     handle that without forking $24,000/yr.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     On 08/21/2013 08:04 AM, Gavin Sweet wrote:
>>> 
>>>         If you *have* to use the API, then its going to be expensive
>>>         these days,
>>>         certainly compared to free ;-)
>>> 
>>>         The other option is to do things in batch, but this limits you
>>>         to a specific
>>>         architecture, and also really prevents you from doing pre-pay.
>>> 
>>>         (Or, you go back to using version 2, which still includes the
>>>         API, and fork
>>>         the software from there).
>>> 
>>>         I don't really know Blesta, but I'd be interested to know what
>>>         kind of
>>>         volumes of CDR's you can scale to there. I guess a lot of people
>>>         on this
>>>         group will only do their mediation and rating in sipwise, so its
>>>         not really
>>>         an issue, you can inherit all the values directly from the CDR
>>>         files. If
>>>         however you want to apply any kind of alternative/mixed rating
>>>         schemas with
>>>         logic other than that supported by sipwise (e.g. bundles, e.g.
>>>         other CDR
>>>         suppliers, e.g. etc etc) then you need a mediation and rating
>>>         engine in your
>>>         billing system (or find another open source) and you do need it
>>>         to scale
>>>         once you're getting into the millions of records.
>>> 
>>>         Cheers
>>>         Gavin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>             -----Original Message-----
>>>             From: spce-user-bounces at lists.__sipwise.com
>>>             <mailto:spce-user-bounces at lists.sipwise.com>
>>>             [mailto:spce-user- <mailto:spce-user->
>>>             bounces at lists.sipwise.com
>>>             <mailto:bounces at lists.sipwise.com>] On Behalf Of Skyler
>>>             Sent: 21 August 2013 15:51
>>>             To: Barry Flanagan
>>>             Cc: spce-user
>>>             Subject: Re: [Spce-user] Using an external billing system
>>> 
>>>             Thanks Barry, that's what I understood as well. The JBilling
>>>             API and
>>>             any customization access is _only_ available for the
>>>             Enterprise or
>>>             Telco
>>>             version(s) as of v3. So it is really useless to any of us
>>>             ... unless
>>>             your willing to shell out $2k/mth.
>>> 
>>>             I've been looking around for months..years even. Blesta
>>>             really is the
>>>             only option I could find that would accommodate every need
>>>             while being
>>>             100% front-end (admin/users) for spce. Takes programming and
>>>             time, I am
>>>             talking with the creators right now and will know a cost
>>>             soon. I'm
>>>             thinking the module(s)/plugins(s) can be hosted with sipwise
>>>             so we can
>>>             simply D/L into Blesta any time.
>>> 
>>>             --Skyler
>>> 
>>> 
>>>             On 08/21/2013 04:36 AM, Barry Flanagan wrote:
>>> 
>>>                 On 21 August 2013 05:01, Oren Yehezkely
>>>                 <orenyny at gmail.com <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com>
>>>                 <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com <mailto:orenyny at gmail.com>>>
>>> 
>>>                 wrote:
>>> 
>>>                       Skyler,
>>> 
>>>                       I also thought at the beginning that (jBilling) CE
>>>                 is locked
>>> 
>>>             down.
>>> 
>>>                       But on a second look I am not sure about it anymore.
>>> 
>>>                       I think we should give it a chance, especially if
>>>                 we have some
>>>                       people here in the list who are experts for jBilling.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                 The problem with the CE version of jBilling is there is
>>>                 no API at all
>>>                 - they took it out when going from v2 -> v3. Makes it
>>>                 fairly useless
>>>                 as it can't be integrated easily with anything else.
>>> 
>>>                 -Barry
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                       I am willing to participate significantly in a
>>>                 bounty for
>>> 
>>>             jBilling
>>> 
>>>                       integration.
>>> 
>>>                       I have also been following Blesta for several
>>>                 years now. Not sure
>>> 
>>>             if
>>> 
>>>                       this is a product for telco services, but I am
>>>                 willing to listen
>>> 
>>>             and
>>> 
>>>                       may be willing to contribute for a bounty to
>>>                 integrate Blesta as
>>> 
>>>             well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                       I prefer to stay in this list. IMHO - a forum is
>>>                 more efficient
>>> 
>>>             that
>>> 
>>>                       a mailing list but this could be a different issue
>>>                 all together.
>>> 
>>>                       Thanks,
>>> 
>>>                       Oren
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                       On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM,
>>>                 <skchopperguy at gmail.com <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>
>>>                       <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>__>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>                           Wow.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                   ------------------------------__------------------------------__-
>>> 
>>> 
>>>             -----------
>>> 
>>>                           *From:* "Jeremie Chism" <jchism2 at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:jchism2 at gmail.com>
>>>                           <mailto:jchism2 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>                 <mailto:jchism2 at gmail.com>>>
>>>                           *To:* "Barry Flanagan" <barry at flanagan.ie
>>>                 <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>
>>>                           <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie
>>> 
>>>                 <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>>>
>>>                           *CC:* "Skyler" <skchopperguy at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>
>>>                           <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>__>>, "spce-
>>> 
>>>             user at lists.sipwise.com <mailto:user at lists.sipwise.com>
>>> 
>>>                           <mailto:spce-user at lists.__sipwise.com
>>>                 <mailto:spce-user at lists.sipwise.com>>"
>>>                           <spce-user at lists.sipwise.com
>>>                 <mailto:spce-user at lists.sipwise.com> <mailto:spce-
>>>                 <mailto:spce->
>>> 
>>>             user at lists.sipwise.com <mailto:user at lists.sipwise.com>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                           *Sent:* August 20, 2013 6:36 AM
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                           *Subject:* Re: [Spce-user] Using an external
>>>                 billing system
>>> 
>>>                           Telco version of jbilling is 2000.00 US per month.
>>> 
>>>                           Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>                           On Aug 20, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Barry Flanagan
>>> 
>>>             <barry at flanagan.ie <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>
>>> 
>>>                           <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie
>>> 
>>>                 <mailto:barry at flanagan.ie>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>                               On 20 August 2013 09:51, Skyler
>>>                     <skchopperguy at gmail.com <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>
>>>                               <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>                     <mailto:skchopperguy at gmail.com>__>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>                                   On 08/20/2013 01:41 AM, Barry Flanagan
>>>                     wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                                       @List Admins: Any chance there
>>>                     could be a mailing
>>> 
>>>             list
>>> 
>>>                                       created like
>>>                                       spce-integration or spce-billing
>>>                     for such
>>> 
>>>             discussions?
>>> 
>>>                                       It could be
>>>                                       useful and would help keep this
>>>                     list on topic.
>>> 
>>>                                       -Barry
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                                   wouldn't that be a request for
>>>                     jbilling? I know Blesta
>>> 
>>>             has
>>> 
>>>                                   a dev area that would fit us all nice
>>>                     and tidy...I just
>>>                                   bought a license and they gave me
>>>                     access ;)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                               No, I was suggesting a list for the
>>>                     discussion of general
>>> 
>>>             SPCE
>>> 
>>>                               integration issues relating to third party
>>>                     apps (jbilling
>>>                               blesta, SugarCRM, whatever) -  not
>>>                     specifically jbilling or
>>>                               any other systems
>>> 
>>>                               -Barry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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